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so many people hate hippies and its all because of the drunks at A-camp. Any thoughts?
most people who hate hippies do not go to gatherings …..so how will they run into the drunks at a-camp?
did you make that username just to ask this question so incase people reacted badly to it you were not (other username) was not marked???? weird… I dunno maybe I’m over analyizing as most first posters usually say something like Hey glad to be here or something… I dunno I’ll step out on a ledge and say what I think about A-camp

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Ya its scary a little bit, and ya I do believe when newcomers arrive and the first thing they see is a bunch of drunk idiots yelling and what not along side the parking lot… most of these people have drank themselves to the bottom and now are digging deeper. most need help. now I might be a hippocrate as I’m known to drink beer as well but I dont know how to explain the bad vibes I get from a-camp.. I tell you what if I was female I would not want to walk through their camp by myself late at night… This is a hard one to talk about, they are kinda like the rainbow problem child that no one wants to talk about as long as they stay in the parking lot… how else do you say it? Ya we love them but no we dont want them in the middle of the gathering drinking….. I’m doing a sucky job at explaining this one as it is touchy but if I had to rank all the camps at rainbow this one with out a doubt will always come in last….

Mike…
Interesting if ya really step back sit down an watch for a good time.
How this camp works.
Yeh its in front…I spent my first night there…awaiting to get into bus village.
But ya know ….its like a ‘filter’
Or shall I say the outside filter
Like filtering water….
Interesting thought….
But then too…first timers..lookin for that nice peaceful ‘welcome home’
I know what I first thought….
But they tried real hard to be friendly an nice….
An they did a lot of the hard work also…
Still there’s seems to be maybe a purpose behind ‘ALL’ camps in ‘Rainbow’
Ya thinks ?
Hmmmm
It has been said more than once "All camps at the gathering serve a purpose". Where this may not be true, it is obviously true of a-camp. Many folks are mistaken about it’s purpose, which makes sense because a-camps tru purpose is intentionally hidden,though it’s true purpose is no mystery to the close observer.
The purpose of a-camp is to bring meat, alchohol and hard drugs to folks who want to be known as high and holy, but still want occaisional doses of those things without being stigmatized as supporting those things.
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No really. The reason a-camp is there is because the rainbow has no method of enforcement. It makes no difference what is said, because there is no method of enforcement.
A-camp is there because the parking lot is closest to their addictions. In truth the feds have every reason to shut them down, or regulate them, but instead the feds spend their time giving the gathering a hard time and a bad name. The feds do this on purpose, because they hate freedom.
The feds could easily ticket and corral dogs with no collars or ID, clear the road of drunks standing in the way, and insist that the rainbows man and moniter the front gate. The feds could easily pick out some drunk troublemakers and run their warrents(and they would have warrents), and take said troublemakers to jail, but they dont.
I am not saying that a-camp should be shut down, but it could very easily be cleaned up by the feds in no time.

Alternatively, the high holies (the real ones not the posers) could easily clean up a-camp in no time, but they can’t, ’cause if anybody gets caught being too shiney at the front gate they will be targeted by the feds as a leader.
This is the favorite strategy of The Enemy. To divide us and pit us against eachother. For the The Enemy to face the high and holy does not work very well for them. The high holy looks good, and the cop looks bad. For the The Enemy to pit us against eachother is easy, and we all look bad, while exausting our magic against eachother.
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I have to sa that calling people A-Campers or High Holy seperates us. Sure, there are people who stay and pepetuate A-Camp—-it’s a problem we have had a long time—humanity as well as rainbow.

No one can do anything about it! Are you crazy? It would have been done long ago if that were possible. The people who hang at A-Camp are slaves to their addiction, sure the law can round some of them up, but they are a headache to law enforcement too! As for the "High Holys" having the ability to do something about it—-right, sure.

Who are these people you call "High Holys"? That is a name that seperates.

We are one.

Everyone lives out a purpose- at a gathering as in real life.—Just like every part of out body has a purpose(except maybe our appendix). Not all parts of our bodies are pleasant—what about our assholes? But there again is a vital purpose. And to seperate our brains from the rest of our bodies is nuts too.

Along with the body part analogy—what happens if we cut off an arm? a finger?

Wwe have to love eachother as we do ourselves.
You say that if i recognize that some folks lead exemplary lives, and refer to them by their habits of being high and holy that "-i-" have caused the seperation?
Or that by repeating a nomer that i have heard before 10,000 times or more out of the mouths of the people who were sitting next to a keg under a cardbord sign scrawled with a drunk sharpie on a beer box that says "A-CAMP" that "-i-" caused the seperation?

I don’t know where you got the reference to castration or decapitaion. I didn’t mean to be so extreme. Perhaps if i apologise to you in public you will quite calling me a seperator?

I do not even write high holies in capitals. I have met some very exceptionally nice and sweet people, and they inspire me, and part of that is what i percieve as a spiritual connection.
If you want you could feel sorry for my delusion

Perhaps this year in colorado you and i will get a chance to work together. I will be at the welcome home camp. My name is rasta’ patch and i am not hard to find. It would be fun to go to a-camp or front gate with you, or to meet some high and holy folks on the trail.
come to the serf gathering this fall..

im pretty sure your thoughts on A camp will change..

unless yer a punk ass with agro energy…

Luv n light!!
understanding your view here HHB…there is a difference between old A-camp & young A-camp…there is a respect gap within young A-camp & the best way to get past that is to show the youngens that kindness will get them a lot farther than the agro movies that have been happening. not an easy task, but we’ve seen it work in Babylon.

Earthstarvillage-names do not seperate, in our opinion, attitudes seperate. names are mearly a form of identification. Rainbows are made of many colors & the Rainbow Family is made up of many tribes; the ability for all the tribes to stand next to each other is what we think gives the Rainbow Family its depth & beauty
Hoping your shitter is wheelchair accessible Rastapatch..I heard you say your going to have the bestest shitter.
The only thing I’m gonna say is if bad stuff, and I mean really bad stuff like rape or violence, were goin down Id rather have and A camper on my side than some high holy or lil airy faery like me
i din’t make the name up to just to make a comment and watch what happens. i really want to know how people feel. the reason i decided to ask is because of the people i have spoken to who have been robbed, hurt, or harrased by some drunk A camp ass hole who is taking advantage of the fact that the hippies hold to this love and acceptance attitude. non tolerance is not always evil if it protects the innocent. i was at a party last weekend where some drunk threw a crowbar and almost hit someone, he got his ass kicked, as he sould have. some of us pulled the guys off him so he wouldnt end up in a hospital,we do care, but why should everyones fun be ruined by a selfish asshole drunk. by the way, they really are the biggest reason why some communities groan when the hear a gathering is being held.
Do you assume that anybody who is holy, or high in spirit, would be unable to deal with an emergency? I do not even claim that there are no a-campers who are high and holy, so i am not sure of the distinction.
i will agree though that you do not look like someone who is dangerous, if that was an implication.

Succulent Flower, are you in a wheelchair? if you are, you could help me look for a good shitter site. With you helping to recruite a digging crew, maintain the ash, and handwash, and TP, it will be a cinch. There are also handrails to be tied up, and fabric you could bring fabric. And perhaps supply runs for soap and bleach, and a sign. A bunch of signs.

A rain tarp? do you have a rain tarp? about 10x 20? I was thinking about incense also. Do you think we need to tell not wheelchair folks to not use the wheelchair potty? or is that just looking for a fight.
Perhaps we should put twice as much work into every shitter at the gathering, so that no matter where one of those hardworking wheelchair bound rainbows was, we would be ready. Of course that would not happen just the ones nearest the main trail would have to change, and camps like miliways, and tea time and montana mud and avalon will get left alone.
Yep, you sure will be a lot of help.

I have another idea, if the whole shitter thing gets too much for the two of us. We can just go to main circle and find a place in the shade, and fast, and do hand massages.
Rastapatch,

I didn’t mean to come off sounding contentious. Actually, usually when high holys are reffered to anywhere near the same breath as a-camp it’s usually derogatory. Some of those bright motivated leader type souls are my buds and I got a hair up my ass about them being dissed.
Sorry.
Yeah, I’ve read your posts before and would enjoy the chance to meet you in person….I got 3 little ‘uns and I travel without help, so front gate usually gets seen by me on the way in and on the way out—-kiddie village and katuah is where my heart and self end up the most—but meetings happen and it’s always a high magical environment—looking forward to meeting you and reuniting with all our brothers and sisters!
a camp is just a weak story we should ban them from the gathering as a whole

a camp sucks = thiefs drunks and all around surly ppl
its true we all know it but some ppl dont care if any of them drunk ass’s come bothering me i usally sick my rotty on them that is allways funny to see they try to run then fall after a few feet then my dog piss’s on them
I feel that there is a constant reference to violence all the way through almost every thread i read on the internet.

I don’t think the gathering is going to get better as the violence and animosity increases.

I give thanks that i was blessed with a sound mind and body, and i hope you all the best of health.

I admit though that i do not like to spend time with thiefs drunks or surly people.
Oh!

Earthstarvillage, Looking forward to it! i am not hard to find. I am one of the loud people near the middle with dreadlocks. No i mean at the very middle. The very very middle.

Yeah, there ya go. Now look to your left, tall slim dreadlock brother, remarkably good looking,. . . . that’s me.

Maybe we could serve main circle dinner some day? I do that most nights.
I dont feel that A-camp is a problem. I’ve helped up at front gate, man its hard. I think that those brothers and sisters up there deserve a beer or two. They deal with alot up there. They are like our filters, they keep people out who could cause us harm, they deal with the LEOs, their up there breathing in dust all day helping people park and showing family where to go in at. Family is family, and we’re all one, whether we’re A-camp, G-funk, serf, nerf, Katuah, Tea Time, Fairy, or whatever.
Love and Lite
Sweet Pea
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[QUOTE=THE GOLDEN STRING]a camp is just a weak story we should ban them from the gathering as a whole

who’s going to keep them out? and who’s going to keep out the energy that they keep out?

there’s nothing wrong with being high.
just remembering past vows:

Rastapatch said: I am hoping that i will get to be in colorado. If i go, i have decided to spend my time helping make the nicest shitter experience i can at the "Welcome Home!" camp.
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I’ve been trying to focalize. whatever that means anymore here in colorado, the family is spread far and wide. Sometimes no contact for weeks and weeks.

Holly sent me an email of yours and you weren’t very sweet.

Tom Travelor has been in contact w/you too!

Definitely will try my best regarding coordinating logistics for shitter architecture. Could bring incense.

My friend let’s me have seconds from his incense factory, not THE best like nag champa, but they try.

I will bring what I can bring. Thanks for the PM.

One thing tho~ now that we are in a *new millennium* let’s drop the old and think with the new.

No more thinking of ppl w/ disabilities as beggers… ie: "handicap"-really means hand-in-cap…drop it, please.

Think now of the person before the disability.

We are now having * Angel-Camp*. From what I’ve heard, "Handi-camp* isn’t focalized anymore, so in honor of MamaTurtle who cannot make it to this years Gathering, we will have AngelCamp…

That’s the intention anyway..

Waiting for word from the Scouts! Hoping that I can make it to Spring Council.
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Regarding A-Camp…mixed feelings.

One time coming to a Gathering, I think it was in Paonia, we arrived late and pulled out the sleeping bags and crashed for the night in the bushes off to the side of the trail.

Woke up in the morning, and realized I was in A-Camp. Oh YAY, I say to myself as I look to the side of me and there was this Old Road Dog Fella and his dog.

Well Long story short. I’ve run into him a few times out in the world, and he really is a lovely old man. Last time I saw him, we talked and talked the whole afternoon away. It was really nice.

He’s a family man and does community works. I had been mistaken in my * assumptions * having seen him on a soup-line in Denver too. I was in a car and was passing by…

And my husband’s Mother was a long time A-camper too. I’m wondering where she is going to camp this year, now that she has 2 younger sons and a companion. I wonder if she’s going at all. That’ll be interesting.

I think why I have mixed feelings is that I’m a nurse and just know what alcohol does to the body and mind. And it’s a form of suffering.

We are all suffering in different ways and I think (IMHO) that we are here to help each-other transform that suffering, yes?

So, even if it appears to be total dysfunction on the out side, just a loving vibe felt and projected by anyone will have that healing affect/effect. Everyone comes away with a healing. All to varying degrees through all types of filters, but hey… it’s all good.

Sometimes it just gets too heavy (seeing ppl suffer w/ alcohol) and I have to take a break.

The hardest part is when you have family w/ alcohol problems ( and other drug problems) and they never make it to a gathering in their whole lives and never know it’s out there.

Ya know, life’s a broad-spectrum of experiences.

Loving you all~ :p
And yeah sometimes you just gotta shine a little brighter. What’s a light for if not for walking around in the dark unhindered? This label slapping catogorizing sure makes us feel safe huh? But in any group there are those that stand alone solid and steadfast in the soul. The intake of spirits (while it can be abused by some) can also be a holy experience…a thin blade to walk.

Myself I am the chameleon the shapeshifter illusion breaker, worldbridger…if more high vibes started haging out with the low vibes you may have chance of upping the overstandings. Remembering always as a good travel of the interdimensional cosmic plane to honour local tradition. And who knows they just might blow YOUR mind! How many stories are thier about great mystics, sages, spririts, or angels etc. checking into the goodness of folks by acting like a crazy person or a bedragled begger? That yelling drunk might be an angel in disguise…or someone in need of a good solid buddy. And ya know what…chances are if you can humble yourself enough to be their friend they will treat you with the same respect…

"And ALL the stars were there, ALL the stars were there, eaching shining brightly it’s own unique glow. And there was union, a union so strong and so great and so beautiful that it could never be broken."

Loving everyone
Heron
Also a lot of highly intuitive and elated soul people do drink to soften their sensitivity to the world. Or frankly just to keep their feet on the ground. I knew a fellow who could not hitchhike unless we was drunk. He was so damn high he appeared more normal when drunk…it was sad in a way…he definetly needed some family to come down and spend time in a non-judgemental way…
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Succulent Flower, You are a fun person!
Let’s see, i said ‘hope to’, and ’spend my time helping’ and you heard a "vow". I will have to be more clear. How can i say ’spend my time helping’ with out it sounding like i "vow" to do what others want?
You come on a thread about a-camp, and initiate a conversation with me about what you percieve as my "vow" to make a shitter stand up to your standards. That tactic will get less co-operation from me than outright bribery, but not as much co-operation as . . . . well . . . as co-operation.

I remember your friend Holly. She also came to me on a thread and changed topic. She sounds like a girl who has good intentions, as do you, and our mutual friend Traveller. I will tell you the same thing as i told them, and i hope you hear me as sweetly as i am trying to be.
I volunteered to do something. There are a million rainbows in this country, and 10,000 on this forum alone (so says the salesperson) and 25,000 at the gathering in colorado and you want to tell me i am not volunteering my sweat in a sweet enough way? Neither you or she or he offered so much as to stand around asking for volunteers. All three of you implied that i was not doing something, and did not even give me a directive of what that was or how you could help me.
Instead of making vague accusations about what i said to Holly, why don’t you just print the transcript for our gentle readers. It is easy to find. Just look on the website i help maintain to folkalize welcome home camp.

As i said before, i bet we have a lot in common and i hope that you are there to help. I believe in you and trust that you have the best of intentions.

Perhaps you could someday get around to making a SMALL list of how welcomehome camp could be made better (for all) and post it? That would be sweet of you.

One more thing. As i have told everybody concerned. If there is the slightest bit of confrontation at the welcomehome camp; I will pack my tent, and move it to main meadow, where i will fast in silence while doing hand and foot massages for everybody that is nice to me.
I always find it ironic that folks with very specific names say that names are not important, or are divisive.

If names are so bad, why do we pick such individualistic usernames? Why have the names of months? why call it a rainbow gathering instead of just calling it ‘driving to colorado (whoops theres another name) into the rocky mountains (whoops another one) to go camping’?

I think first poster is wrong, and second poster is less wrong, and third poster was funny, and the folks with the picture of the long metal thingie they live in sound like they were at a gathering before.

Am i allowed to say ‘they’? or is that divisive and unimportant labeling driven by my ego?
My apologies if I have offended or riled anyone…I guess I let myself get riled. I just went to the profile and was unable to change my name to something less descriptive, makes sense though why I can’t…but yeah…sometimes it’s best to say nothing at all… Yes ego…and truly fluid formless blend and flow from one to the other…I was only trying to say that maybe it would be easier to mix and mingle if we put those things behind us…but I’m the first one to say that everything I say good very well be bullcrap.

I suppose that energetically I feel that once you slap a title on something or someone you may have actually unconciously energetically restricted them in a confining role…especially if you are someone they look up to. Our thoughts manifest our reality and everyone fluctuations in us affects our neighbor. Think of the classic emontional abusive partener slapping a labels on their mate…how restricted their psyche becomes.

When I look at people I look first for what they truly are and I fall in love with that part. That is who I speak with. I say "Hi soul" no matter what name crosses my lips. The diamond in ruff stands before me. As we throw off countless infinite layers and labels some having negative connetions and some positive it leaves more and more of the naked beauty to beam through the openings until you…

My sincere love to any that my first post offended…all senseless ramblings are retracted.

Humbled and loving it
Wow that’s deep.

Well, uhm, . . .. well see ya later, huh?
honest question..

how many replying here know A campers on a personall level?
i’ve been getting aquainted lately , and it’s taken some patience to know their ways . it’s rather like hanging out with cannibals . ritualistic cannibals , you know , only eat people who are too weird .
Well i assume that you didn’t mean me, since i already admitted to drinking off the keg with them under a beer box sign. Just to be clear. . . . .One here.

I do think i know what you mean though. I experience the phenomenom when i hear folks talk about main circle, and main counsel, or the magic hat. There are folks who will say many things as if they knew, but you never see them at the counsel, just hear them talking swag later on the internet.
i love my A camp brothers an sisters,, although i admit,, i wander away when tensions get started..

dont like seein folks get there ass beat,, even if THEY DESERVED IT..

i know sooooo many kynd brothers that call them selves,, that are A camp/front gate..

it kinda upsets me when folks talk shit about them an have never bothered to sit an shoot the shit with them…

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wow so much for a A camp discussion,,.. its cut an paste theatre..

couldnt ya have just gave him a link??
Excuse me please for posting off of topic….(BIG WOOP), please no more nasty PMs
nasty PM’S??

do tell?

sure as hell didnt come from me..
Sorry, not you but Rastapatch. And he apologized and now we are hashing it out on another thread. BTW, did you get the CD’s I sent you?
yes dilli got them,, she says she thought she sent a thank you..

but if she forgot..

thank you ever so much for your time an efort to keep a meaningful part of the family tradition alive..

love n light..
oh, and a-camp is not the biggest mistake of the rainbow gathering. Understaffed Welcome Home Camp is the Biggest mistake of the gathering.

But don’t ask me. .. . . i wouldn’t know good advice from a nasty PM.
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Tell them that fireworks are bad for the environment. Look it up first so you can say the right things.
Tell them that i will teach them to juggle and other clown stuff.
rastapatch I don]t assume high holies can]t deal with an emergency, Im only saying that they are generally passifist and , hate to say it but, sometimes a lil physical self defense or other peoples defense is necessary.

I’ll admit that I havent spent any time at all in A camp, never having been to an American gathering. I have spent a bit of time at pirate camp though, similiar vibes I believe. I love the pirates.
Crystaleyez, i really like your post. You always try to keep your vibe clean and sensible.

But if you think for even one moment that violence is ever better than holiness, then you still have more learning to do.
It’s only my opinion, but when i was twenty i thought violence was neccessary. I have since seen holy folk just command entire crowds with just their tone and intensity.

There are times when a violent person may be able to improve your situation, but there is never a time when having a violent person with you is better than having a saint with you.

Perhaps i am wrong though, and you are right. #
I just wanted to say something, anything good about A camp. people like to bash them and complain about them and there is good in everyone and everyone has purpose. I dont consider high holies saints either. Alot of them seem to me be pretenders, and have very very dark sides that one doesn’t see often. Alot of "high holies" dont even have time for those who dont sport dreadlocks or who eat meat or dont dress like a "hippy." Perhaps my definition and your definition of high holy is different. I remember one guy that got up in the main circle in Quebec to say,"OK people, its not OM its AUM. Lets get this right."
Now as someone that has remnants of victim conciousness left in her psyche I sometimes attract strange or dangerous situations to myself. I dont know any saints but sometimes wind up hangin round people whose protective instincts perk up when Im around. Im OK with that. I tend not to see bad in people until its too late. Some of my friends can tell right away if a persons motives are less than pure. Violence is never good, but Id rather not just sit and take it either. Many "high holies," do what I tend to do and retreat from any situation that is not happy and good. Im glad there are some rainbow warriors out there.
i could say plenty of good things about A camp/front gate..

but untill folks see for themselves the reality of what the kynd folks with good intentions there are all about..

they will live with there own perceptions an misenterpretations..

luv n lite
I am aware that there are folks who use the term high holy when that is not what is really there. I have never heard a person refer to themselves as high holy so how is it that these others are refered to in this way?

It is ironic that the habit is fed by folks who do not mean high or holy when they say it. Strange. If they do not mean high or holy, why do they say high or holy? Do you not believe there is such a thing as holy? Why use the term for anything else?

Maybe we need another term for those folks, like ‘pretenders’ or something?

I think you are wonderful.
yeah, havent read the post..but all i know is north american gatherings are different than in the rest of the world… so there ya go..
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malakala, I would say about the same thing.

I have a slightly loose definintion of saint, as i do of ’sin’. For instance i feel one could be in a-camp and still be saintly. I believe one can make a mistake one day, and still act saintly another day. Such forgiveness, i believe, allows folks who have made mistakes to aspire to ‘higher’ spirits even after their ’sins’.
Perhaps i am naive.

I would disagree though that just because a lot of folks only use the term derogatorily, and just because the highest and holiest folks i know do not prefer to be refered to as such, and just because there are pretenders, that the term is ‘clearly reserved’ as in insult.
I believe that to use the term holy as an insult is a little insulting to holy. My own limited familiarity with holiness reserves the term for those things that align with my experience.

Also, i do not believe that only elders, or only rainbow gatherers, can act in a holy manner.
Rastapatch, it’s all good. I can dig your approach & view. There’s nothing you’ve said that I outright disagree with. The "drunken master", or saint, is a common theme in many spiritual & martial arts allegories. It’s true therefore, that one never knows who the saints are, could be anyone at anytime, A-Campers & non-Rainbows included for sure. And as far as coining a term like "high holy", even the point you made about that is true…if the INTENT is not to be derogatory, then it is not. I guess I should have clarified by saying that any semantics issues ultimately revert to intent. I just meant that most who could qualify as actual "high holies" would most likely not think of themselves as such, due primarily to the saintly virtue of humility. Lovin’ you, may peace be with us all.
yessir , i told the cop , you jest caught yourself a high holy of the rainbow nation . he got all excited , and he got some love , and later on i got poetic in court and a whole roomful of cops got laughing at the judge .
unfortunately A camp is where many of our artist musician heroes would be found.Neil Cassidy,Jerry the Junky,Bob Dylan the wino etc etc.Every light has a shadow and its better to light a candle then to curse the darkness.love from hrlem ralph p.s this year many of us peace nick elders should plan to involve ourseleves with A camp by playing music
I more than once have been in the company of someone who in their daily normal state seemed quite unconcious, but when completely obliterated on whisky suddenly reached a point of clarity and light I had never seen in them before. Unfortunately they couldnt remember it the next day…